Reboost ♻️ plz: In light of increased uncertainty on the reliability on the US, European democracies should strengthen their strategic autonomy: this also includes autonomy from #Microsoft #Windows in the public and private sector.
eu-os.gitlab.io proposes to develop together a Community-led Proof-of-Concept for a free/libre replacement of Windows. Follow us on Mastodon and join the Matrix chat at matrix.to/#/#eu-os:kde.org to receive updates and help.
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Toran "Torspedia" Shaw
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf Toran "Torspedia" Shaw • • •Currently it is not a KDE project. Once the #EU_OS planning is more advanced and concrete, it is obviously something to look into. First discussions took place already.
Rocky Hetherington
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •While the idea is a good one, if you're going to start a new distro why not ditch the legacy way of configuring systems and use a #NixOS / #Guix style approach?
And please use LTS kernels and #ZFS for the filesystem.
Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf Rocky Hetherington • • •#EU_OS should not need to be a new distro. Please read: eu-os.gitlab.io/goals#goals
Goals | EU OS
EU OS Proof-of-Concept🍒🌳 Hartmut Goebel
Als Antwort auf Robert Riemann 🇪🇺 • • •Two points:
a) Is basing on Fedora really a good idea for an European project? I don't think so: Fedora is depending in Redhat, which is USA-based.
b) You are aware of Univention Corporate Server, which allows to centrally manage users and machines? I assume you are, but it is missing in the list if similar projects. (And I guess, UCS is not the only solution.)
@rriemann @MediocreWightMan @eu_os @EC_OSPO
Boud
Als Antwort auf 🍒🌳 Hartmut Goebel • • •@kirschwipfel @rriemann @MediocreWightMan
It does seem that:
* Red Hat, Inc. "retains liability" for the Fedora project [1]
[2]* Red Hat, Inc is a subsidiary of IBM since 2019
[2]* 35% of Fedora contributors are employees of Red Hat
[1]EU digital sovereignty would probably be more robust with #Debian or a Debian derivative rather than Fedora.
[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_P…
[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat
American multinational software company
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf Boud • • •@boud @kirschwipfel @MediocreWightMan
It would be much better to gather these arguments in the Gitlab Kanban at gitlab.com/eu-os/eu-os.gitlab.…
I am aware of @univention. Though this only solves partially the problem you bring up. As far as I know, it also builds on top of many components that enjoy much support from #Redhat. Think of #FreeIPA and #Keycloak for instance.
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GitLab🍒🌳 Hartmut Goebel
Als Antwort auf Robert Riemann 🇪🇺 • • •Redhat is a big player in Linux and many components are driven by them, that true. (Most centrally: systemd) Anyhow IMHO it's still a difference whether you use components or a whole distro: in case e.g. Redhat fails, chances are high that a non-Redhat-distro changes the component, whereas Fedora will not be changed.
And another aspect: Fedora will come with USA-mindet defaults (e.g. Google DNS as default fallback), while another distro might already remove these - less burden for you.
@rriemann @boud @MediocreWightMan @eu_os @EC_OSPO @univention
Azarilhⓥ
Als Antwort auf 🍒🌳 Hartmut Goebel • • •micia
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •Lovely initiative.
Is the gitlab instance self-hosted?
Otherwise you might consider hosting it on @Codeberg .
Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf micia • • •@micia @Codeberg
Gitlab.io is at the moment a convenient temporary solution to host the #EU_OS page. I hope that eventually hosting can be done at code.europa.eu (which also runs on Gitlab).
For this, the projects needs to be incorporated to the European Commission I assume.
README.md · master · About Code Europa EU / About code.europa.eu · GitLab
GitLabnulll
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •forolinux
Als Antwort auf nulll • • •youtu.be/CP8CNp-vksc?feature=s…
Richard Stallman Talks About Ubuntu
YouTubeRobert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf forolinux • • •@forolinux @nulll
I have discussed the choice of the underlying OS also with @kde community members. At best, there is a range of OSs to choose from without breaking the setup otherwise.
#CERN 🇪🇺 uses #Almalinux. I think for those that aim for a full production setup, this could be a good fit.
listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.e…
LISTSERV - SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS Archives - LISTSERV.FNAL.GOV
listserv.fnal.govforolinux
Als Antwort auf Robert Riemann 🇪🇺 • • •If the CERN choose AlmaLinux then this distro could be a good option.
Anyway the actual dependencies in non EU, or USA privative software and hardware is too high.
Gamliel Fishkin 🮱
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •Linux is good, but autarky is bad.
#GNU #GNULinux #Linux #OSS #FOSS #FLOSS #autarky #Europe #EU
Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@aethrvmn indeed, I think #immutable is the way to go. This can be built with @bluebuild
#EU_OS #bluebuild
TheFrenchGhosty
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •You should realize that the EU tech sovereignty will never happen.
You are literally encouraging the EU to move from a US made OS... to an OS (GNU/Linux) where the kernel, the bootloader, the core utils and most software are also made in the US.
Sovereignty will never happen, the EU/EU members countries never made anything since decades when it comes to tech.
US invent, Asia manufacture, EU copy.
That's what happen where politicians have no long term plans...
TheFrenchGhosty
Als Antwort auf TheFrenchGhosty • • •... and what happen when all of the EU institutions are lobbied and, at best corrupted by at worst controlled by US entities.
Remember that the EU literally are letting OVH die, and already let Dailymotion die.
Hell, most EU members/entities are only available on US social media.
Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf TheFrenchGhosty • • •@TheFrenchGhosty I understand you believe that no positive action is possible. How constructive is it to encourage other actors to halt aiming for improvements?
Note that the goal of #EU_OS to use open source and make its deliverables and outcomes available in its project repositories using something openly source license to encourage collaboration and adoption.
dieTasse
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •I know that everybody has opinions, way too many, but I have to also add mine, sorry 😀
I think we have a lot of mature linux distributions and what is needed is rather share and show people that they can use it, its easy, easier than windows in many cases. Just talk about it, teach about it. And maybe organize volunteers (or paid people from some grant?) to help people install it and use it or troubleshoot it.
Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf dieTasse • • •@dieTasse Please read eu-os.gitlab.io/goals #EU_OS is _not_ about another distro. Also, the focus is on corporate use. Your ideas are pursued in a project called #endof10 from @kde and @gnome . Find the website here: endof10.org/
You can contribute with your ideas at invent.kde.org/websites/endof1… (check their issues boards for the organisation).
Goals | EU OS
EU OS Proof-of-ConceptHieronymus
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •Why not go with OpenSUSe?
It's actually more EU than Fedora.
@opensuse
Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf Hieronymus • • •@Hieronymus @opensuse
Read here: eupolicy.social/@eu_os/1141859…
The layering mechanism offered by rpm-ostree/bootc permits to reuse container tooling and expertise already available in the public sector and to share common layers per country/region/sector. So far, opensuse does not support bootc. @kalpa is the atomic distro for opensuse, which also has layers, but they are not necessarily shared between different machines.
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Kalpa Desktop
Als Antwort auf Robert Riemann 🇪🇺 • • •I mean, at the moment, if you were going to look at "openSUSE Based Atomic/Immutables" I'd direct you to #Aeon as they're further ahead in their development than #Kalpa is.
aeondesktop.org
Aeon
aeondesktop.orgRobert Riemann 🇪🇺
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@0xDEADBEEF
Please be constructive. You did not tell me anything new. Is your question serious whether this project is serious?
chaos.social/@rriemann/1141945…
Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@0xDEADBEEF
I commented on the first point in the reference given above.
The second point is in my view whataboutism. This is all also important. Please create your own initiative.
Please respect that I don't want to spend my freetime continuing this discussion here.
skrak47
Als Antwort auf EU OS • • •Robert Riemann 🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf skrak47 • • •Please check out the FAQ: eu-os.gitlab.io/faq#fedora
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) | EU OS
EU OS Proof-of-ConceptRobert Riemann 🇪🇺
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@frankps @Azarilh
Not entirely true. Read: eu-os.gitlab.io/faq#linux-dist…
Think of it like en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendbu…
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) | EU OS
EU OS Proof-of-ConceptFrank Paul Silye
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Frank Paul Silye
Als Antwort auf Robert Riemann 🇪🇺 • • •EU OS
Als Antwort auf Frank Paul Silye • • •eu-os.gitlab.io received a few updates today after some legit criticism.
- Logo has now consistently a purple gradient for more distinction to EU flag 🇪🇺.
- Home page: EU OS is not yet an EU project
- FAQs acknowledge that Linux is already used in the public sector. The unique selling point is better clarified: use of #bootc and more collaboration across the EU to bring down the costs for a migration from Windows #endof10
- university of Oslo added to use cases 🎉
@frankps
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