You remember #Apple scanning all images on your #mobile device?
If you have an #Android #phone, a new app that doesn't appear in your menu has been automatically and silently installed (or soon will be) by #Google. It is called #AndroidSystemSafetyCore and does exactly the same - scan all images on your device as well as all incoming ones (via messaging). The new spin is that it does so "to protect your #privacy".
You can uninstall this app safely via System -> Apps.
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teilten dies erneut
Blitzen 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf jack • • •You remember Apple succumbing to public pressure and quietly never implementing it in the first place?
Edit: I’m gonna make a big addendum to this comment. While Apple *did* scrap plans for CSAM detection due to public pressure, they did implement an on-device mechanism for blurring “sensitive content.” A feature much like the one on Android in the original post here, although I’ve yet to find much transparency on the Android apps’ workings. This on-device functionality works like face detection, so if you’re okay with that there’s little reason to be alarmed.
jack
Als Antwort auf Blitzen 🇺🇦 • • •Cat Herder 💔 🗽 🇺🇲
Als Antwort auf jack • • •I can't find it on my phone to get rid of it.
Ronald Klip
Als Antwort auf Cat Herder 💔 🗽 🇺🇲 • • •Android System SafetyCore - Apps on Google Play
play.google.comteilten dies erneut
Claudius Link hat dies geteilt.
Full Metal Archaeopteryx
Als Antwort auf Cat Herder 💔 🗽 🇺🇲 • • •@CatHerder
Try using search
On my Note 9 it didn't show on my apps list in Settings until I searched for it
@jack @blitzen
Cat Herder 💔 🗽 🇺🇲
Als Antwort auf Full Metal Archaeopteryx • • •I did search the whole phone. Thanks.
Anne Ominous
Als Antwort auf Cat Herder 💔 🗽 🇺🇲 • • •@CatHerder @DelilahTech @blitzen
for anyone, not just people i am replying to:
what i did was go to the Google Play store and search for Android SafetyCore
when it found the app in the store, i was given the "uninstall' option
that was how i located and removed it - search did not help -
i'm sure there are other ways! but this was easiest for me and maybe others too
teilten dies erneut
Sirana hat dies geteilt.
Court Cantrell prefers not to
Als Antwort auf Anne Ominous • • •Anne Ominous
Als Antwort auf Court Cantrell prefers not to • • •@courtcan @CatHerder @DelilahTech @blitzen
this happened to my friend - no sign of it in the search or in the app store, as of about 3pm CST today. (i did my search and removal several hours ago..)
i have no clue what's up with this.
anyway, i hope people are able to find it and remove it
Peter Skov Larsen ★
Als Antwort auf Court Cantrell prefers not to • • •Same
Court Cantrell prefers not to
Als Antwort auf Peter Skov Larsen ★ • • •Cat Herder 💔 🗽 🇺🇲
Als Antwort auf Court Cantrell prefers not to • • •@courtcan @paelse @rustoleumlove @DelilahTech @blitzen
I'm not techy to the point of knowing or noticing those things. When someone posts about these creepy tactics, I take their advice!
So few people protect their privacy these days, but it's a big deal to me; I appreciate the people looking out for it.
Parade du Grotesque 💀
Als Antwort auf Cat Herder 💔 🗽 🇺🇲 • • •@CatHerder @blitzen
Try searching in Apps the exact wording is : "Android System SafetyCore" ) spaces and upper case letters are important.
Elias Aarnio
Als Antwort auf jack • • •@blitzen
Or the explanation is simply that Google has removed word don't from their old slogan "Don't be evil"
No smiley needed.
Al
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Its time to renew my project to de-google my phone. Its hard since I'm still in the US and most good phone are in the EU.
any recommendation on a good phone to start with?
jack
Als Antwort auf Al • • •@mral It seems that #Murena and thus #Fairphone is available in the USA:
murena.com/america/products/sm…
I can't say that much about Murena and their (degoogled) OS, but I've been a happy Fairphone user for almost a decade now (both #degoogled and stock).
#CalyxOS is a good OS choice, check out their supported devices:
calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-…
#GrapheneOS looks pretty good, too - but it only runs on google's pixel (which admittedly is one of the most open phones around).
grapheneos.org/
GrapheneOS: the private and secure mobile OS
GrapheneOSteilten dies erneut
Regine und Lord Caramac the Clueless, KSC haben dies geteilt.
Al
Als Antwort auf jack • • •crabby
Als Antwort auf jack • • •@mral
+1 for graphene, it's all you need and more.
You can even buy pixels where it is preinstalled, if you have some cash and don't feel like hacking yourself.
Flexi Bell hat dies geteilt.
schnittchen 🏳️🌈
Als Antwort auf jack • • •EmpathicQubit
Als Antwort auf schnittchen 🏳️🌈 • • •I'm using LineageOS microg on my FP4 and I don't see that app
@jack @mral
jack
Als Antwort auf EmpathicQubit • • •EmpathicQubit
Als Antwort auf jack • • •@schnittchen @mral
carlwheezerr
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Flexi Bell
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf Flexi Bell • • •Flexi Bell
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf Flexi Bell • • •@flexi The vanilla standard android version by google. Pixel comes with it as well as Fairphone. Some others, like Asus or Motorola, too IIRC.
androidauthority.com/what-is-s…
What is stock Android? Everything you need to know about the core OS
C. Scott Brown (Android Authority)Deacon Jericho hat dies geteilt.
Flexi Bell
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf Flexi Bell • • •AlexanderMars
Als Antwort auf Flexi Bell • • •you don't need to root, #shizuku plus f-droid.org/packages/org.samo_…
Takes 5 minutes to set up after downloading relevant apps. Delete anything tagged "recommended" for a start.
Canta | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
f-droid.orgFlexi Bell hat dies geteilt.
Flexi Bell
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf Flexi Bell • • •Tom
Als Antwort auf Flexi Bell • • •@flexi same here (Google Pixel 6)
@jack
Flexi Bell
Als Antwort auf Flexi Bell • • •I can uninstall it easily.
Just not via: System -> Apps.
But simply via Settings -> Apps.
Lord Caramac the Clueless, KSC hat dies geteilt.
Mensch Antimeier
Als Antwort auf Flexi Bell • • •@flexi
I couldn't deinstall either via settings. But I could via play store!
@jack
Tomi the Slav and 1024 others
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Goblin
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Ozzelot
Als Antwort auf jack • • •🔗 David Sommerseth
Als Antwort auf jack • • •@e_mydata, You got us covered, right?
@jack
Miroslav Kravec
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf Miroslav Kravec • • •@kravemir I'd consider Calyx and Graphene Cusom ROMs. Maybe even Morena.
Many other variants of Lineage OS will probably be OK, but you'll have to look for one that supports your phone at least semi-officially by providing regular updates.
jack
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@lies_das Good question. I'm sure they'll do it again, unless there's massive public pressure.
And like @empathicqubit said, they might even make it a certification requirement for android.
jack
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •johanvos
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Something like Signal being an alternative to WhatsApp etc.
Today, when developers want to reach users on mobile, they have to comply with what Apple and Google tells them. That doesn't feel right.
charlag
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf charlag • • •@charlag
social.gyt.is/@gytisrepecka/st…
Justin Macleod
Als Antwort auf jack • • •gz
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Thanks.
Anja
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Deborah Hartmann Preuss, pcc
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Bhante Subharo
Als Antwort auf Deborah Hartmann Preuss, pcc • • •BTW: This guide explains more about it, and where to disable "Android System Intelligence":
androidauthority.com/android-s…
#Android
What is Android System Intelligence? Is it safe to remove?
Aamir Siddiqui (Android Authority)jack
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@tritol128 The documentation has already been mentioned twice in this thread. But here's a link to a somewhat less technical summary:
androidauthority.com/google-me…
Here's how Google is letting Messages warn you about nudes - Android Authority
Mishaal Rahman (Android Authority)blue_thistle37
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf blue_thistle37 • • •DragonFlame
Als Antwort auf jack • • •More such advice would be welcome.🙏😊
Bryan Haskin
Als Antwort auf jack • • •the unbeliever
Als Antwort auf jack • • •ENG. Tretron 🐲
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Tom
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Emil 🇵🇸
Als Antwort auf jack • • •There is no mention of results from the scan being shared with Google right?
That seems like a very big difference. As long as any action taken from scanning images locally is also entierly local I do not see a big concern.
That is the way to implement features like warning people of potential scams or (silly American purity) features like blurring nudity.
Jan Penfrat
Als Antwort auf jack • • •DDRitter 🏳️🌈🎗️🇵🇸
Als Antwort auf Jan Penfrat • • •Jan Penfrat
Als Antwort auf DDRitter 🏳️🌈🎗️🇵🇸 • • •BohwaZ
Als Antwort auf Jan Penfrat • • •@ilumium I decompiled the apk to have a quick look and the app does have internet access.
It includes a binary library called "libtartarus" which seems to be an AI (references to TensorFlow).
It does also include telemetry (OpenCensus), so *some* data is transmitted to Google. There is also some logging to Google in the code, but can't say if it's enabled.
The code also does link the app with your Google Account…
I'm not an Android specialist so I can't tell what is sent exactly.
Zimmie
Als Antwort auf Jan Penfrat • • •@ilumium Apple’s proposal was two parts:
1. Scan images for CSAM as they are encrypted for upload to iCloud. If CSAM is detected, also send Apple a fragment of the encryption key.
At the time, photos at rest in iCloud (and others) were clear, and the NSA and various companies’ support departments had been caught saving and distributing nudes non-consensually. This plan intrinsically involved end-to-end encryption, so it was addressing a real privacy risk. If you didn’t send images to iCloud, the CSAM scanning would never run. This was scrapped because tech media spread ridiculous misinformation about it, creating a PR disaster.
2. Scan images in incoming messages in the Messages application on minors’ phones for nudity. If detected, obscure the image. If the minor taps to unobscure the image, notify the associated parent account.
The parent notification was dropped, and the rest of the feature was implemented in iOS 17, in late 2023. Any account can enable it, and the service is available to other messaging applications (so WhatsApp or a Mastodon client could be written to use it if the user has enabled it). This is exactly what Google has implemented.
support.apple.com/en-us/105071
About Sensitive Content Warning on Apple devices - Apple Support
Apple SupportJWcph, Radicalized By Decency
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Token Sane Person
Als Antwort auf jack • • •This is misinformation. If you read what Google actually wrote, it only notifies the user of nudity. Google specifically say that it doesn't notify them.
Of course Google might be lying, but there is no evidence here of any new risk.
utopiArte
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •10xslacker
Als Antwort auf jack • • •I'm not a big Google fan but this doesn't look the same. It is a feature released in October to (e.g.) mask unsolicited dick pics in RCS chat., disabled by default. Obligatory your threat model != my threat model.
security.googleblog.com/2024/1…
"...doesn’t allow Google access to the contents of your images, nor does Google know that nudity may have been detected"
5 new protections on Google Messages to help keep you safe
Google Online Security Blogpriryo
Als Antwort auf jack • • •@welshpixie
Steffo
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Welcome to my FUD list.
To cite Google (via the page you linked):
Sensitive Content Warnings is an optional feature that blurs images that may contain nudity before viewing, and then prompts with a “speed bump” that contains help-finding resources and options, including to view the content. When the feature is enabled, and an image that may contain nudity is about to be sent or forwarded, it also provides a speed bump to remind users of the risks of sending nude imagery and preventing accidental shares.
All of this happens on-device to protect your privacy and keep end-to-end encrypted message content private to only sender and recipient. Sensitive Content Warnings doesn’t allow Google access to the contents of your images, nor does Google know that nudity may have been detected. This feature is opt-in for adults, managed via Android Settings, and is opt-out for users under 18 years of age. Sensitive Content Warnings will be rolling out to Android 9+ devices including Android Go devices with Google Messages in the coming months.
freechelmi
Als Antwort auf jack • • •ISibboI
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Drew
Als Antwort auf jack • • •SD Maid 2/SE - System Cleaner - Apps on Google Play
play.google.comErwan 🚄
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Another crap that google installs without authorisation.
Jojonintendo
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Acesabe
Als Antwort auf jack • • •@catsalad
Diana Barbosa 🇺🇦🇵🇸
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Martin Be
Als Antwort auf jack • • •privacy_guru
Als Antwort auf jack • • •To those who are curious about the app and can't find the proper documentation I found this video explainer. youtube.com/watch?v=1rdlTveD8F…
I understand some people may feel the pic blurring is useful for them but in the privacy community Google does not have a good rep & is known for sneaking new features into Android to get more of your private info. It may not seem bad now but new capabilities could be added later without warning.
What is the Android System SafetyCore App & Why is it on my Device?
YouTubeMutoKenji
Als Antwort auf jack • • •privacy_guru
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Danieλ ΦØΘ_☮️
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Mikael Winterkvist 🎏
Als Antwort auf jack • • •NancyRant
Als Antwort auf jack • • •@jack
You are a gentleman & a scholar for disseminating the dark arts of New Nerd Order as set forth in its foundation text 'Malware Malefecarum'.
THANK YOU!
Happily, Google's CovertApps boobytrap is no match for my obsolete Android, which doesn't support any of this Cambridge Five nonsense.
Knackered tech gazumps corporate cannibal, HUZZAH!
Coffee (Team CW)
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Someone linked and screenshotted this post, so now there are two disjoint sets of replies.
Just leaving the link here in case anybody wants to get at the other set of replies:
partyon.xyz/@nullagent/1139660…
nullagent
2025-02-08 03:16:06
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf jack • • •See grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/….
GrapheneOS
2025-02-08 17:17:03
Dr0id
Als Antwort auf jack • • •grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…
GrapheneOS
2025-02-08 17:17:03
gunstick
Als Antwort auf jack • • •what this does is: local powered KI detector for spam and nudity.
grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…
GrapheneOS
2025-02-08 17:17:09
Maxi 10x 💉
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Otto
Als Antwort auf jack • • •That is actually a rather poor description of what it does. Basically, the app is one that prevents dick pics.
It scans incoming images, and if it thinks they're nudes, then it shows a content warning message along with the blurred image. Additionally, it scans outgoing images and if it thinks they're nudes, it gives you the option to not send them.
However, all this scanning is done entirely on your own device, it doesn't send anything anywhere.
Der Heinz
Als Antwort auf jack • • •microG Project
microg.orgHadewych
Als Antwort auf jack • • •David Bridger
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Reboot Kid
Als Antwort auf jack • • •I'm finding folks saying this is happening, but not with any breakdown or evidence of the process.
Is there a geekier write-up, given that the Google writeup is decidedly slanted?
FoolishOwl
Als Antwort auf jack • • •colin_brosseau
Als Antwort auf jack • • •The second thing is Netguard (that I set to block *everythnig*).
Then I install my apps from Fdroid.
Buchralle
Als Antwort auf jack • • •optimista 🏴☠️🏳️🌈
Als Antwort auf jack • • •I went to Settings > Apps > ⋮ Show system apps and removed them.
I just hope they don't install themselves again.
Benjamin Sonntag-King
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Because neither the page on Playstore nor your link explains what it does...
I just uninstalled it but I'd like to know more
Guillaume ☭
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Emilion
Als Antwort auf jack • • •You guys uninstall your phone apps based on a post, without any evidence, on social media? 😄
Mateusz 🏳️🌈
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf Mateusz 🏳️🌈 • • •@aemstuz No, client-side scanning is not OK.
tuta.com/blog/eu-client-side-s…
"There is no prosecution at any cost." | Tuta
TutaMateusz 🏳️🌈
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Zoidberg For President
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf Zoidberg For President • • •Jason "JK" Keirstead
Als Antwort auf jack • • •I-baLL
Als Antwort auf jack • • •while the incorrect explanation of what the app does plus the framing of the post raises my skepticism by quite a bit, I'm surprised that you didn't provide a Google Play link to the app which will give most people an easily accessible uninstall button.
Anyways, here's the app on the Google Play store if somebody wants to see if the app is installed on their device and if they want to uninstall it:
play.google.com/store/apps/det…
Android System SafetyCore - Apps on Google Play
play.google.comEric Wayne
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Linebyline→mastoart.social
Als Antwort auf jack • • •LOL at the sheeple still using stock Android, I use LineageOS and--WTF??
Kidding, of course, but yeah, can confirm that the app installs itself on LineageOS too, at least when you have the Google apps/play store installed. A decision I'm coming to regret.
Uninstalled. it.Looking forward to having to keep checking every week in perpetuity to see if it's reinstalled itself.
Skoobie
Als Antwort auf jack • • •flutttr
Als Antwort auf jack • • •DHeadshot's Alt
Als Antwort auf jack • • •JollyOrc
Als Antwort auf jack • • •where did you get this information? The only info I could find was this here: androidauthority.com/google-me…
Where the explanation isn't about privacy really..
Here's how Google is letting Messages warn you about nudes - Android Authority
Mishaal Rahman (Android Authority)Techokami
Als Antwort auf jack • • •micha
Als Antwort auf jack • • •@isotopp store link is
play.google.com/store/apps/det…
Won't turn up in search in the phone because of default settings.
Hope that helps
Android System SafetyCore - Apps on Google Play
play.google.comWooShell
Als Antwort auf jack • • •DO NOT uninstall this app, unless you want to lose signature verification of APKs and open yourself to malicious app sideloading.
The SystemSafetyCore has NOTHING to do with CSAM scanning or anything similar to Apple's photo verification proposal. The proposed image scanning (on-device only) is being added to the Google Messages app itself, not to any system service apps.
Just a heads up - do not uninstall apps just because someone on the internet told you so.
b3lt3r
Als Antwort auf jack • • •the stated purpose (following the links) seems reasonable enough, but:
1. unacceptable to install silently
2. Google is not trustworthy enough for me to believe that usage would not change in future.
Johan Paul
Als Antwort auf jack • • •The page you refer to does not detail what the APK does.
All Google is saying is "Android System SafetyCore (com.google.android.safetycore) is an Android system component that provides privacy-preserving on-device user protection infrastructure for app"
What are your sources to what this APK actually does?
MeaTLoTioN
Als Antwort auf jack • • •jack
Als Antwort auf MeaTLoTioN • • •Rik Viergever
Als Antwort auf jack • • •NoNoB 🏃♂️🚴
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Na ja, naiv halt 😅
Konnte ich unter "Alle Apps" finden und deinstallieren 👍
craige
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Eric Wayne
Als Antwort auf jack • • •DB Schwein
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Ugh. Their "reason" for invading your privacy:
*and it says it was supposed to be opt-in, but there it was on my phone so...
London Eastfield 🇵🇸
Als Antwort auf jack • • •Maronno Winchester
Als Antwort auf jack • • •#Apple #mobile #Android #phone #Google #AndroidSystemSafetyCore #privacy
Found on my Samsung, but I'd like to know more before uninstalling.
Can anybody explain better, please?